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REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING
COMMISSION MEETING
February 3, 2000
COMMISSION PRESENT: Chairman Ann Creighton; Vice-Chairman C.D. Peebles; and
Commissioners Michael Boutte, Kenneth Home (arrived at 9:26p. m.), Dennis King, and Keith
Shankland.
COMMISSION ABSENT: Mike Sandlin.
CITY STAFF PRESENT: Debra Drayovitch, City Attorney; Dennis Killough, Senior Current
Planner; Lisa Sudbury, Current Planner; Angela Turner, Graduate Engineer; and Lori Farwell,
Planning Secretary.
Chairman Creighton called the meeting to order at 6:40 p.m.
There was no Work Session held.
AGENDA ITEM #2, APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Chairman Creighton opened discussion of the minutes of the Special Planning and Zoning
Commission meeting held on January 13, 2000.
Motion was made to approve the minutes of the Special Planning and Zoning Commission meeting
held on January 13, 2000, as presented.
Motion: Shankland
Second: Peebles
Ayes: Boutte, Peebles, Shankland, Creighton
Nays: None
Abstain: King
Approved: 4-0-1
Motion carried.
(Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 02-03-00, tape 1, section #0030)
Chairman Creighton opened discussion of the minutes of the Planning and Zoning Commission
meeting held on January 20, 2000.
Motion was made to approve the minutes of the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting held
on January 20, 2000, as presented.
Motion: Peebles
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1 Second: Shankland
2 Ayes: Peebles, Shankland, King, Boutte, Creighton
3 Nays: None
4 Approved: 5-0
5 Motion carried.
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(Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 02-03-00, tape 1, section #0045)
AGENDA ITEM #3, ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS:
There were no Administrative Comments.
(Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 02-03-00, tape 1, section #0050)
Chairman Creighton said Agenda Items #4 and #5 are on the Consent Agenda and will not have a
separate discussion unless a Commission member or citizen requests for either item to be placed on
the Regular Agenda. There was no request to remove them from the Consent Agenda.
AGENDA ITEM #4, ZA 99-133, FINAL PLAT FOR CARROLL I.S.D. NO. 6 ADDITION, AND
AGENDA ITEM #5, ZA 00-005, PLAT VACATION OF WEST BEACH ADDITION:
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Senior Planner Dennis Killough added a comment to the review for Agenda Item #4, ZA 99-133.
He added Item #11 requiting all lots to comply with zoning district regulations in lieu of the fact the
zoning is still pending.
Motion was made to approve ZA 99-133 subject to Plat Review Summary No. 1, dated December
21, 1999, adding Item #11 requiring all lots to comply with zoning district regulations; and to
approve ZA 00-005.
Motion: Peebles
Second: King
Ayes: Shankland, King, Boutte, Peebles, Creighton
Nays: None
Approved: 5-0
Motion carried.
(Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 02-03-00, tape 1, section #0130)
Chairman Creighton said Agenda Item #6 is expected to be a lengthy item and Agenda Item #7 is
not, and the applicant for Agenda Item #7 requested for that item to be moved forward on the
agenda. She stated Agenda Item #7 will be heard next.
AGENDA ITEM #7, ZA 99-141, REZON1NG:
Current Planner Lisa Sudbury presented this item to the Commission for a Rezoning on property
legally described as Tract 5C situated in the Hiram Granberry Survey, Abstract No. 581, and being
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1 approximately 7.939 acres. The property is located at 911 S. White Chapel Boulevard being on the
2 east side of S. White Chapel Boulevard approximately 110' north of Princeton Park Drive. The
3 Current Zoning is "AG" Agricultural District. The Requested Zoning is "RE" Residential Estate
4 District. The Land Use Category is Low Density Residential. The Owners and Applicants are Ted
5 and Lesley Holt. Twenty (20) written notices were sent to property owners within the 200'
6 notification area, and three (3) responses were received with two (2) being in favor and one (1)
7 stating they no longer own the adjacent property.
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The applicants were present to answer any questions.
Chairman Creighton opened the Public Hearing. No one in the audience stepped forward to speak.
Chairman Creighton closed the Public Hearing.
(Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 02-03-00, tape 1, section #0180)
Motion was made to approve ZA 99-141.
Motion: Peebles
Second: Shankland
Ayes: King, Boutte, Peebles, Shankland, Creighton
Nays: None
Approved: 5~0
Motion carried.
(Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 02-03-00, tape 1, section #0190)
AGENDA ITEM//6, ZA 99-132, REZON1NG AND SITE PLAN FOR CARROLL I.S.D. NO. 6
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ADDITION:
Current Planner Lisa Sudbury presented this item to the Commission for a Rezoning and Site Plan
on property legally described as Tracts lB and 3, situated in the C. B. McDonald Survey, Abstract
No. 1013, and being approximately 42.424 acres. The property is located south of Crooked Lane
approximately 300' east of the intersection of Crooked Lane and South Kimball Avenue. The
Current Zoning is "AG" Agricultural District. The Requested Zoning is "S-P-I" Detailed Site Plan
District with "CS" Community Service District uses including transportation facility and stadium.
The Land Use Category is Industrial and 65 LDN Overlay Corridor. The Owner of the property is
Carroll I.S.D. The Applicant is Cheatham & Associates. Fourteen (14) written notices were sent
to property owners within the 200' notification area, and eight (8) responses were received with two
(2) being in favor, four (4) were opposed, and two (2) were undecided.
Brent Kline (Total Program Management) presented this item to the Commission and reviewed the
requested variances.
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Vice-Chairman Peebles asked why the home side is away from Kimball Avenue. Mr. Kline said
there are reasons for that. He said the site is laid out like it is to shelter the home team from the west
sun and the north winds. He said whenever you lay out a stadium you always need to remember the
home team does not want to look into the sun.
Commissioner Boutte asked if there is anyway onto this site with the current road configurations or
if it is dependent upon future construction. Mr. Kline said the site can be accessed from Silicon
Drive right now, but the review states that they cannot begin construction until the roads are in place.
He said they will not go vertical until they have access to the property for ambulances or fire
equipment.
Mr. Kline said one of the other major issues for the current positioning of the site is the topography;
they are using the natural grade of the property to position the home side bleachers into the hill. He
said it minimizes the height by approximately 30' to 40' by placing it into the hill.
In his presentation, Mr. Kline said the football field itself is a pervious coverage that the water flows
through, goes down to a drainage system, and out.
Mr. Killough said staff did some rough calculations on impervious coverage, and the site will be
approximately 85% to 87% with furore parking. He said by taking away the future parking, they will
be at approximately 77%.
Vice-Chairman Peebles said he would like to have more green space along the streets, particularly
Kimball Avenue.
Chairman Creighton asked what the problem is with Residential Adjacency. Mr. Killough said there
is not one. She asked what the Residential Adjacency Review Comment is regarding. Mr. Killough
said the school district is asking for a variance to those requirements; the school district is requesting
for no other provisions to be made except for what is shown on the plan. He said stat'flus reviewed
this plan on all the effects of Residential Adjacency.
Mr. Kline said the sound engineer has stated that the noise level at the property line will be 47 DBA.
He said they do not have a letter from the sound engineer tonight but will include it in their next
submittal for Council. He said another good reason for the larger structure to be on the north side
of the field is that it will help shield the sound.
Vice-Chairman Peebles asked how many people attend the varsity games. Dr. Ted Gillum said the
largest crowd they had this year was 8,000.
Mr. Kline said when the facility is expanded, they will be able to seat approximately 10,000 people.
Dr. Gillum said Pennington Field and the new Birdville stadium are built on a 1:5 parking ratio, too.
He said they are planning to negotiate any overflow parking with the adjacent industrial landowners.
He said the best example of this is the Carrollton-Farmers Branch stadium that is built in a light
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industrial complex; they share parking with adjacent landowners. He said the school district really
feels like the 1:5 parking ratio is adequate for 90% of their games, but if they happen to host a
playoff game on this site, they could have overflow crowds.
Regarding the Lighting Ordinance requirements, Mr. Kline said their poles are 130' tall, have white
lights, and have 70 footcandles on the surface.
Chairman Creighton opened the Public Hearing.
Darrell Faglie,(SPIN #7 Representative) 505 S. Kimball Avenue, Southlake, Texas, said he does not
want a stadium at this location. He asked the school board why they chose this location for a
stadium. He feels like they picked this property due to the cheapness of the land and had other sites
available that were more expensive. He said the school district is trying to save taxpayers money
by buying cheaper property, but his neighborhood is actually losing money. He said they cannot sell
their property as a residential neighborhood.
Pam Morrison, 710 Whispering Woods Circle, Southlake, Texas', said her basic concerns are listed
on the letter that was submitted from her and her neighbors. She listed her concerns as noise,
lighting, noisy spectators, and traffic. She would like to see a brick wall along the north property
line.
JeffWang, 595 $. KimballAvenue, $outhlake, Texas, said his main concerns are the loudspeakers
and traffic issues. He said although he is not as worded about the traffic at the beginning of games
since people tend to arrive at different times, he is worried about traffic after the games since people
tend to leave at the same time. He questioned what time the games would end.
Johnny Beech, 701 Whispering Woods Circle, Southlake, Texas, said he has the following concems
regarding the screening device: who is to put up the screening device and who is to maintain the
screening device? He asked what type of buffer is required? He stated his concern about trash from
the stadium blowing onto his property.
Ira Lee Johnson said her property extends 107' along the north edge of the school's property and
asked how far the edge of the parking lot is from her fence. She stated she would like a brick fence
along the north property line. She stated her concerns about noise and trash.
Lou Kaposta, 2311 Crooked Lane, $outhlake, Texas, said he would like an 8' solid brick fence along
his property line.
Chairman Creighton left the Public Heating open to allow the school district time to address the
residents' questions and concerns.
Mr. Kline said the stadium committee studied four different sites in town for almost one year, and
it was that committee's recommendation to use this site. This specific site was put in the bond
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election and the overall majority of the community voted on it.
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4 of old Dragon Stadium on Carroll Avenue. He said the High School site was ruled out primarily due
5 to traffic problems at the intersection of Peytonville Avenue and Southlake Boulevard, and a number
6 of the adjacent residents petitioned for the stadium not to go there. He said Dragon Stadium was
7 discussed at several different forums and was ruled out primarily due to traffic access. He said the
8 Town Square site was actually too narrow, and they would have had to build a three story parking
9 garage in order to park the fans that would have cost about $7 million. He said this particular site
10 is good because there is Light Industrial on three sides and will have four-comer access to the site
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Dr. Gillum said Mr. Lunsford (the property owner to the west) contacted the school district about
cutting a road through his property from Kimball Avenue and questioned whether or not the school
district would participate. He said they could put a driveway onto Crooked Lane through the
panhandle piece of property for exiting traffic, but they really don't like that idea; they would like
to maintain as much ora buffer as possible to the adjacent residents. The connection through Mr.
Lunsford's property appeals to them because it provides for a northwest exit from the parking lot.
Dr. Gillum addressed the trash issues by saying the northern part of the property has a pretty steep
grade in addition to the school district providing the required buffers, fencing, etc., so he does not
think blowing trash will be a problem.
Chairman Creighton said she would like to hear from the residents again as to what type of fencing
they prefer.
Commissioner Boutte said Crooked Lane will never be substantially enlarged. He understands that
what is there today is the way it is supposed to stay.
Ira Lee Johnson said she would prefer an 8' brick fence.
Chairman Creighton said there will be an increased cost to put in a brick fence and asked the
homeowners if they would still prefer a brick fence if it meant the school district had to cut back on
the number of trees in order to provide one.
Mrs. Johnson said she would still prefer a brick fence.
Para Morrison said she would also prefer an 8' brick fence. She thinks a brick fence would cut down
on the noise more so than a wood fence. She said she would not mind having fewer trees on the
school's side since she already has many trees of her own.
Johnny Beech said he doesn't know what the price difference is between a cedar fence that will need
replacing every eight years as compared to a brick fence that can be put up and forgotten.
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Commissioner King said he is not clear on where they stand on impervious coverage. Mr. Killough
said he has calculated 82% including future parking if the field is impervious. If the field is deemed
a pervious surface, he said it is approximately 77%.
Chairman Creighton asked if the City has an opinion on the proposed field surface as to whether it
qualifies or doesn't qualify as a pervious surface. Mr. Killough said from what he is hearing them
say there is a drainage system underneath the field and the water seeps through the turf and is picked
up and carried off; he does not consider that pervious. He said a pervious area would allow water
to get back into the water tables.
Vice-Chairman Peebles asked if the school district would be in compliance with 85%. Mr. Killough
said yes; they would be in compliance with this plan.
Commissioner Shankland asked why 65% is shown. Mr. Killough said the "CS" zoning district has
a maximum of 65% which is what the review is based on.
Vice-Chairman Peebles asked the school district if they have a problem with 85%. Mr. Kline said
no, as long as it will work with their future plans.
Chairman Creighton asked if the school district would be willing to eliminate the following use
within the "CS" zoning district: 8.2.g: Utility buildings and structures: power sub-stations, water
tanks and reservoirs, water and sewage treatment plants. Mr. Kline yes; they are not intending to
put any of that on the site.
Commissioner Shankland said there is only 2% required for seasonal color and asked why the school
district does not want to put any pretty flowers on the site. Dr. Gillum said they have a consultant
who deals with natural landscaping which does not need irrigation. He said the City Council has
been talking with the same consultant. He said in all of their new schools they are required to build
because of growth they have a lot of landscaping requirements which get into watering and
maintenance issues. He said they are concerned about drought issues because they have a lot of
facilities that require a lot of water. He said they are working to come up with landscaping that
actually meets the ordinance that will not require all the water. They want landscaping that looks
nice but does not require a tremendous amount of water.
Chairman Creighton asked when they will know more from their consultant. Dr. Gillum said the
consultant is a gentleman who has been contacted by some of the school board members and Council
members, and they have had some informal dialogue. He hopes to have something worked out in
the next six months.
Commissioner Shankland asked if they have considered drilling a well. Mr. Kline said they have
agreed to look at the numbers on a couple of occasions but do not have any serious numbers yet. He
said there are some tanks and infrastructure required for wells, too.
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(Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 02-03-00, tape 1, section #2250)
Dr. Gillum said he has had similar thoughts as Vice-Chairman Peebles regarding the orientation of
the bleachers but said the biggest factor is topography. He said it is more cost effective to build it
like it is shown. He said when the transportation center is in place, it will cover up about half of the
bleachers from Kimball Avenue so you really do not have the nice view like you would think. He
also said the press box on the home side rises above the visitor's side bleachers so they can still put
a logo below the press box that will be seen as you enter the stadium.
Vice-Chairman Peebles asked why the bus maintenance facility is right along Kimball Avenue
instead of in back. Dr. Gillum said the main reason is they did not want to put a transportation center
with all the related noise and the buses next to the neighborhood that is over there.
Vice-Chairman Peebles asked what vehicles will be going in and out of the maintenance facility. Dr.
Gillum said they will have about 90 buses at build out. He said they wanted the buses to be able to
get onto Kimball Avenue quickly and to avoid starting all of the buses at 6:00 a.m. next to the
residences.
JackLovitt (GenCap Partners) said they are the developers of Cornerstone Business Park. He said
he would also like to see a masonry wall along the north property line extending all the way to
Silicon Drive. He said the distance from the stadium to his site is closer than many of the parking
spaces will be and thinks the wall will discourage parking on private property. He thinks fans may
find it easier and convenient to park on private property and simply walk across the property line to
the school site. He said a landscape barrier will not discourage foot traffic. He said it would be a
continuation of the wall they have already constructed.
Chairman Creighton asked if Mr. Lovitt would be willing to put his own masonry wall in, and he
said he doesn't know about that. He said they already have a lengthy wall.
Chairman Creighton said she is concemed about the possibility of the north parking lot exiting on
Crooked Lane. She said Crooked Lane is not designed for a large volume of traffic and questioned
if the school district would agree as part of this zoning request that it would not be part of a
northwest access. Mr. Kline said they are not asking for northwest access onto Crooked Lane as a
part of this request; they realize they would have to come back for Site Plan approval to do that.
Mr. Killough said the Driveway Ordinance would prohibit access to that local street; it would require
a variance.
Mr. Kline said if they can get it worked out with Mr. Lunsford, they may be coming back for
approval of a right-of-way as discussed earlier.
Chairman Creighton said she is still not clear on where they stand regarding Residential Adjacency.
Mr. Kline said apparently this was an issue added to the plan itself, and after talking it over they do
not see any reason to ask for a variance and would just as soon scratch that off and eliminate the
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confusion.
Mr. Killough said he needs to add a comment to the review regarding driveway stacking. He said
the two driveways on Silicon Drive closest to the field house do not meet the stacking depth.
Mr. Kline said the area east of the field house is meant to be a controlled area; there will be someone
at the gates controlling when players and coaches go in and when they go out. He said they get in
there before the game starts and leave after everyone is gone. He said if an ambulance or emergency
vehicle needs access, there will be someone there to let them in and out.
Chairman Creighton asked what their stacking depth would be if it is assumed that area is gated. Mr.
Killough said it would be about 163', and it would be in compliance.
Vice-Chairman Peebles said his biggest problem with the site is its orientation but another problem
is the parking. He said if they did not have the transportation facility on this property, they would
have enough parking. He asked if the transportation facility could be moved to another site. Dr.
Gillum said they have looked at a lot of sites and every other location looked at would impact more
residents. He said this site happened to be surrounded by industrial so they thought it would be a
much better site. He said the best example of this is Pennington Field where they also have their bus
facility by their stadium.
Vice-Chairman Peebles said he really does not like to vote against this plan, but he is a big football
fan and when he gets his stadium he wants the home side to be on Kimball Avenue, wants to get rid
of the bus facility, wants adequate parking, and wants Southlake fans getting out on Kimball Avenue
first.
Commissioner Shankland asked if the petroleum storage tanks are below ground. Dr. Gillum said
no, the statutes call for them to be above ground due to the water tables, etc.
Dr. Gillum said when they put this on the ballot, it was a single proposition and stood by itself, and
the community voted for it.
Commissioner King asked Dr. Gillum to comment on the brick fence the neighbors have mentioned.
Dr. Gillum said they would love to see what they can do. He said the best idea he has heard was
from Chairman Creighton which was to see if they could cost it out and possibly not plant some trees
in order to save some money. He would have to say at this time they are asking to comply with the
ordinance.
Vice-Chairman Peebles suggested for the school district to go ahead and put in the brick wall and
phase in the bufferyards to the west of the transportation facility and along Silicon Drive. Dr.
Gillum said Mr. Kline said it would take about 166 trees to pay for the fence.
Mr. Killough said the area west of the transportation facility and south of Mr. Kaposta's property
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is zoned industrial, and there is no bufferyard required through there. He said there is no bufferyard
shown on the plan and is probably intended to only be grass.
Dr. Gillum said if the Council and the Commission want them to, they could certainly forego some
of the landscaping requirements and cost it out so that they could break even.
Mr. Kline said in looking at the bulTeryard chart, it looks like they may have to take away all the
trees to do that.
Vice-Chairman Peebles suggested using some of the trees from the Kimball Avenue schools.
Chairman Creighton asked if they could have some figures before they go to City Council. Dr.
Gillum said yes.
Chairman Creighton closed the Public Hearing.
(Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 02-03-00, tape 1, section #3555)
Chairman Creighton said whoever makes the motion needs to be sure and state the masons affecting
this particular property that are causing the "S-P-l" zoning. She said some of the reasons for not
going with straight "CS" zoning are the residential properties to the north; the industrial properties
surrounding it; the particular needs and concerns surrounding this type of a use, a stadium; and in
addition, they have several uses that did not come in under straight "CS" zoning such as the
transportation facility.
Motion was made to approve ZA 99-132 subject to Site Plan Review Summary No. 2, dated January
28, 2000; and subject to the following:
· acknowledging some of the reasons for not going with straight "CS" zoning are the residential
properties to the north; the industrial properties surrounding it; the particular needs and concerns
surrounding this type of a use, a stadium; and in addition, they have several uses that did not
come in under straight "CS" zoning such as the transportation facility;
· striking the following use within the "CS" zoning district: 8.2.g: Utility buildings and
structures: power sub-stations, water tanks and reservoirs, water and sewage treatment plants;
deleting Item #1.B.1 (height);
· deleting Item #1.B.2 (maximum lot coverage);
· amending Item #1.B.3 allowing a limit of 85% impervious coverage;
· requiring compliance with Item #1.C.1 (residential adjacency);
· deleting Item # 1 .D.1 and acknowledging the applicant's willingness and effort to work with the
Landscape Administrator to landscape the best they can with native vegetation that provides
some color and requires little or no watering;
· granting a variance on Item #1.D.2 allowing the applicant to move some of the interior plantings
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to the outside bufferyards with the understanding that by the time they get to City Council they
will work out the numbers to see it'they are able to have some relief of some of these trees and
trees in other district properties in exchange for a brick wall that would border the northern
properties;
deleting Item #1.E. 1 and accepting 1 space per 5 seats;
noting the district's willingness to comply with Item #5.B with their study which shows they
come under the limit of the decibels at the property line;
adding Item #5.D requiting compliance with driveway stacking requirements but granting a
variance to it and recognizing that the district is going to provide gates on both ends of the area
between the field house and Silicon Drive such that the stacking depth would actually be 163';
City Attorney Debra Drayovitch said there are requirements for obtaining a variance to the Lighting
Ordinance which require submission of an altemate plan and certain evidence, and she is certain the
Commission would want to have that reviewed by the appropriate staff.
Continuation of motion:
· Requiring compliance with the Lighting Ordinance but recognizing the applicant has the lighting
study and will submit it before they go to City Council and allow staff time to review it; and
· Requiring the gates to the east of the field house to remain closed during the games and for a
period of 30 minutes after the games except for emergency access.
Motion: Shankland
Second: King
Ms. Drayovitch said there has been discussion of"variances" associated with this plan but with a
"S-P" zoning, these items are not variances; they are part of this planned development Site Plan
zoning. She wanted the record to reflect they are really not variances and that the Commission does
have more discretion with this type of application.
Ayes: Boutte, Shankland, King, Creighton
Nays: Peebles
Approved: 4-1
Motion carried.
(Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 02-03-00, tape 1, section #4207)
Chairman Creighton called for a break at 8:51 p.m.
Chairman Creighton called the meeting back to order at 9:05 p.m.
AGENDA ITEM #8, ZA 99-143, SITE PLAN FOR IHOP RESTAURANT:
Current Planner Lisa Sudbury presented this item to the Commission for a Site Plan for IHOP
Restaurant, on property legally described as Lot 6R, Block A, Southlake Bank Place, an addition to
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the City of Southlake, Tarrant County, Texas, according to the plat recorded in Cabinet A, Slides
4546 & 4547, Plat Records, Tarrant County, Texas, and being approximately 1.666 acres. The
property is located on the northwest comer of State Highway 114 and Industrial Boulevard. The
Current Zoning is "C-3" General Commercial District. The Land Use Category is Retail
Commercial. The Owner of the property is IHOP 1419, Inc. The Applicant is Monsanto &
Associates. Two (2) written notices were sent to property owners within the 200' notification area,
and no responses were received.
Hugo Monsanto presented this item to the Commission. He reviewed his requested variances with
the Commission.
Vice-Chairman Peebles asked if the lot marked as number '2' on the Surrounding Property Owners
exhibit has a shared driveway with Kirby's or are they going to want their own. Mr. Killough said
there is not enough space for another driveway through there.
Vice-Chairman Peebles said since IHOP has not shown a common driveway with the lot marked as
number '3', then they will also want a driveway when they develop. He asked Mr. Monsanto if he
contacted Gateway Properties, Inc. (owner of lot 2 and 3) regarding a common driveway, and he said
no.
Lisa Sudbury said she does not think another driveway will be allowed in this area due to the access
prohibition area for State Highway 114.
Commissioner Shankland asked Mr. Monsanto if he does not want to do a mansard-type roof instead
of the flat roof. Mr. Monsanto said they could do a mansard roof. Mr. Monsanto showed the
Commission a picture of an IHOP with a mansard roof.
Vice-Chairman Peebles asked if Mr. Monsanto would agree to lower the front tower to 25'. Mr.
Monsanto said he could work on it.
Commissioner Shankland asked how firm he is on using stucco and asked if he would consider
brick. He said Kirby's is brick, and it would blend with everything else along there. Mr. Monsanto
said they have done brick before, but he would need to talk to the owner.
Commissioner King asked what type of roof the prototype IHOP has, and Mr. Monsanto said it has
a mansard.
Commissioner King said all the buildings on F. M. 1709 are either brick or masonry, and Kirby's
looks to be virtually 100% brick and stone. He just thinks the building would really blend in with
the neighbors if he would consider brick.
Vice-Chairman Peebles said he is getting closer to voting for this item if they lower the entrance to
25' and come back with brick.
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Chairman Creighton opened the Public Heating.
Darrell Faglie, (SPIN #7 Representative) 505 S. Kimball Avenue, Southlake, Texas, said he is here
in support of this request. He spoke to all his neighbors who were hem earlier, and they are also in
favor of it. He agrees that they need to use brick and have a mansard roof.
Chairman Creighton closed the Public Heating.
(Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 02-03-00, tape 1, section #5132)
Vice-Chairman Peebles said he would like to see this item tabled, and he would like to see a picture
of the IHOP in Pflugerville with brick and a mansard roof.
Commissioner Home arrived at 9:26 p.m.
Commissioner Shankland said he would also like to see this item tabled unless the applicant is
willing to commit tonight to brick and a 25' entrance.
Commissioner Home said he drove from Dallas specifically for IHOP. He said this is going to be
on State Highway 114, and the people who live on the north side of S.H. 114 have been waiting a
long time for development in their part of town. He said this plan is not acceptable; this is not what
it means to be a part of Southlake. He thinks the applicant needs to rethink where he is putting his
restaurant.
Chairman Creighton asked if the applicant is willing to table. Mr. Monsanto said the only thing he
can agree to is the brick; he does not have the authority regarding the tower.
Chairman Creighton said she would like to see this come back to P&Z again, and she would like to
see if the stacking depth can be addressed. She asked if the site could be repositioned or the building
be made smaller to address the stacking issues. Mr. Monsanto said the lot is not too small, but they
could go back and take a look at it.
Mr. Monsanto agreed to table to the March 9 meeting and said he would resubmit by February 14.
Motion was made to table ZA 99-143 to the March 9, 2000, Planning and Zoning Commission
meeting.
Motion:
Second:
Ayes:
Nays:
Approved:
Shankland
Home
Peebles, Shankland, King, Home, Boutte, Creighton
None
6-0
Motion carried.
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(Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 02-03-00, tape 1, section #5854)
AGENDA ITEM #9, MEETING ADJOURNMENT:
Chairman Creighton adjourned the meeting at 9:40 p.m. on February 3, 2000.
(Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 02-03-00, tape 1, section #5860)
Ann Creighton
Chairman
ATTEST:
Lori A. Farwell
Planning Secretary
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