1996-01-02 CITY OF SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS
667 NORTH CARROLL AVENUE
REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING
JANUARY 2, 1996
MINUTES
COUNCII3/IEMBERS PRESENT: Mayor Gary Ficlces; Deputy Mayor Pro Tem Pamela
Muller. Members: Sally Hall, W. Ralph Evans, Ron Maness, and Michael Richarme.
COUNCILMEMBER ABSENT: Mayor Pro Tern Andy Wambsganss.
STAFF PRESENT: Curtis E. Hawk, City Manager; Shana Yelverton, Assistant City Manager;
Lou Ann Heath, Director of Finance; Bob Whitehead, Director of Public Works; Ron Harper,
City Engineer; Greg Last, Director of Community Development; Klm McAdams, Director of
Parks and Recreation; Karen Gandy, Zoning Administrator; Billy Campbell, Director of Public
Safety; Wayne K. Olson, City Attorney; and Sandra L. LeGrand, City Secretary.
INVOCATION: Councilmember W. Ralph Evans.
WORK SESSION: The work session was held where agenda items for tonight's meeting were
discussed by Council and Staff.
The Regular City Council meeting was called to order at 7:00 p.m. by Mayor Gary Fickes.
Agenda Item #2~A, Executive Session
Mayor Fickes advised the audience that Council would be going into executive session pursuant
to Chapter 551 of the Texas Government Code, Sections 551.071,551.072, 551.074, 551.076
of the Open Meetings Act, to seek the advice of the City Attorney with respect to pending and
contemplated litigations, and to discuss the purchase, exchange, lease or sale of real property
and to consider the appointment and evaluation of public officials, and regarding the deployment
of specific occasions for implementation of security personnel or devises.
Council adjourned for executive session at 7:02 p.m.
Council returned to open session at 7:25 p.m.
Agenda Item #2-B, Action Necessary/Executive Session
No action was taken as the result of the executive session.
A~enda Item #3, Approval of the Minutes
The minutes of the December 19, 1995 City Council meeting were not available for approval.
Regular City Council Meeting Minutes
January 2, 1996
page two
A[enda Item #4-A. Mayor's Report
Mayor Fickes announced that the City Council meeting tonight is being video taped by students
of Carroll Senior High School. This is a trial taping of the meeting, however, in the future, the
meetings will be video taped and will show on Channel 25, the City and CISD access channel.
Councilmember Sally Hall sang "Happy Birthday" to Councilmember Michael Richarme.
Agenda Item #4-B, City Manager's Reoort
No items for this report.
Aeenda item #4-C. SPIN Reoort
No report during this meeting.
Agenda Item #5. Consent Agenda
The consent agenda consisted of the following items:
5-A.
5-Bo
Resolution No. 95-53, Appointment of SPIN Standing Committee Member for
Neighborhood No. 16.
Authorizing the City Manager to enter into a contract with Lee Engineering for
professional services on the Master Thoroughfare Plan Update.
#5-A. Resolution No. 95-53 was approved which named Michelle Williams, 2530 Johnson
Road, as SPIN Representative for SPIN #16. This area has been without a representative
for some time since Dick Johnston's resignation.
#5-B. Professional Services Agreement-Contract with Lee Engineering, Inc. for the Master
Thoroughfare Plan Update. The Consultant Selection Committee, consisting of
Councilmember Michael Richarme, P&Z Commissioner Art Hobbs, SPIN #3
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS
Motion was made to approve the consent agenda, items #5-A, and #5-B.
Motion: Richarme
Second: Muller
Ayes: Richarme, Muller, Maness, Hall, Evans, Fickes
Nays: None
Approved: 6-0 vote
Regular City Council Meeting Minutes
January 2, 1996
page three
Aeenda Item//5. Continued
Representative Joe Mast and City Staff recommended Lee Engineering, Inc. The agreement
includes the scope of services, anticipated meetings table, and expenses estimate for the project.
As defined in the agreement, the fee for the base scope of services shall not exceed $23,887
which is within the $25,000 allotted in the 1994-95 budget. The agreement also contains lump
sum costs for additional work tanks not included in the base scope of services. The estimated
duration for completion of the base scope of services and adoption of the Master Thoroughfare
Plan Update is approximately six (6) months.
Aeenda Item//6. Public Forum
Gary Fawks,330 Ravenaux Drive, Southlake. Mr. Fawks spoke during the public forum on
behalf of the Ravenaux Homeowners Association. He presented to the City Secretary, prior to
the meeting, three letters: Countryside Bible Church, the Christian Men's Network, and the
Ravenaux Homeowners Association, allowing the existing road to end in a cul-de-sac and not
go through. He urged the City Council to place this item on the City Council agenda as soon
as possible as an action item. The letters presented are hereby made a part of the minutes of
this meeting.
City Manager Curtis Hawk stated the Council commented previously that the road
would not go through off of North White Chapel Blvd.
Dennis McGrath, 2403 North Carroll Avenue, Southlake. Mr. McGrath added further
discussion to a point he made during the last Council meeting regarding the population build-out
of the City of Southlake. He stated he feels the Council should get a projection on the
population before anything else is done with the Municipal Complex. Also, in 1995, a
committee formed to study the feasibility of splitting the Planning and Zoning Commission was
formed. He feels this committee needs to move on, making a recommendation.
Councilmember Hall stated in response to Mr. McGrath, that the meetings of the
committee to study splitting the Planning and Zoning Commissions were delayed
due to the holidays, but are now ready to go forward. The next scheduled
meeting will be held on January 23, 1996.
Mike Schroetke, 211 Eastwood Drive, Southlake. Mr. Schroetke presented a letter to Council
dated January 2, 1996, in which he expressed his opposition to Ordinance No. 480-T, on outside
storage and satellite dishes. A copy of the letter is hereby attached to the minutes of this
meeting.
Regular City Council Meeting Minutes
January 2, 1996
page four
Aeenda Item #6. Continued
Mr. Schroetke also suggested procedural changes for the Council to consider. He referenced
Section 2.11 of the Home Rule Charter with regard to public participation during a Council
meeting. He stated often items are tabled and people cannot speak. When something is tabled,
he proposed a Forum be open to citizens so that they can speak on the item even though the item
is tabled. He also suggested when the Mayor establishes the order of items on the agenda, that
the "old" business is place first on the agenda, followed by the "new" business.
Mayor Fickes stated all citizens are urged to participate in the Council meeting.
The sign up sheet is available for sign up prior to the meetings or a person can
call the City Secretary during the day and she will sign someone up to speak.
The second readings of ordinances are public hearing, however, we always give
the audience the opportunity to speak regarding an agenda item.
Councilmember Muller asked that if an item is tabled, the audience is given the
opportunity to speak during the meeting and have their comments made a part of
the record.
Councilmember Hall stated this discussion was held during a meeting of the
committee to study the splitting of the Planning and Zoning Commission. They
asked that a summary of all previous comments on each item be provided.
Agenda Item/f7-A, Ordinance No. 480-188.2nd reading (ZA 95-100D.
Ordinance No. 480-188, 2nd reading ZA 95-106, Rezoning and Concept Plan for Liberty Bank,
being a 0.984 acre tract of land situated in the Thomas Easter Survey, Abstract No. 474, and
the S. Freeman Survey, Abstract No. 525, and being legally described as tract 1El, W.E.
Mayfield Addition. Current zoning is "AG" Agricultural District, with a requested zoning of
"C-2" Local Retail Commercial District. Owner: Keith Bunch; Applicant: Liberty Bank.
SPIN Neighborhood #7.
Karen Gandy, Zoning Administrator, commented that eight (8) notices were sent to property
owners within the 200' notification area and four (4) written responses have been received,
from: Gordon M. Nettleton, 2611 E. Southlake Blvd., in favor; Robert G. Lyford, 6502
Santolina Cove, Austin, in favor; Wetzel Family Partnership, 102 Westlake Drive, Austin, in
favor; Roy E. Lee, 2620 E. Southlake Blvd., in favor.
Mark Wood, Ernest Hedgcoth Consulting Engineers, 5701-C Midway Road, Fort Worth, was
present to answer questions of Council.
The public hearing resulted with no comments from the audience.
Regular City Council Meeting Minutes
January 12, 1996
page five
Agenda Item/fT-A. Continued
Councilmember Muller stated she appreciates the applicant moving the driveway
to the east.
Councilmember Richarme expressed concerns that we will end up like Wm. D.
Tate Blvd. in Grapevine.
Motion was made to approve Ordinance No. 480-188, 2nd reading, subject to the Plan Review
Summary//3, dated December 15, 1995; with items/f2-A and g2B deleted as agreed to at first
reading.
Motion: Maness
Second: Hall
Mayor Fickes read the caption of the ordinance.
Ayes: Maness, Hall, Evans, Muller, Fickes
Nays: Richarme
Approved: 5-1 vote
Agenda Item g'/-B. Ordinance No. 480-T. 2nd readln~, amending the Zoning Ordinance
No. 480 to allow for temporary outside s~orage for retail uses and modifications to
regulations for satellite dishes.
Ordinance No. 480-T, 2nd reading, amending the Zoning Ordinance No. 480 to allow for
temporary outside storage for retail uses and modifications to regulations for satellite dishes, was
not considered tonight, as a super-majority of Council was not present.
Public Comments:
Gary Fawks declined to speak tonight but will wait until the item is being voted upon.
Mike Schroetke, 211 Eastwood Drive, Southlake. Mr. Schroetke presented a letter which is
hereby being made a part of the record.
Motion was made to table Ordinance No. 480-T, 2nd reading until January 16, 1996 City
Council meeting and a super-majority of Council can be present.
Motion: Richarme
Second: Evans
Ayes: Richarme, Evans, Hall, Maness, Muller, Fickes
Nays: None
Approved: 6-0 vote (to table)
Regular City Council Meeting Minutes
January 2, 1996
page six
Agenda Item #7-C, Ordinance No. 653. 2nd readine Creating a Senior Advisory
Commission.
The City Manager, Curtis Hawk, stated there have been no changes in Ordinance No. 653, since
the first reading.
The public hearing resulted with no comments.
Motion was made to approve 2nd reading of Ordinance No. 653, Creation of a Senior Advisory
Commission.
Motion: Muller
Second: Richarme
Mayor Fickes read the caption of the ordinance.
Ayes: Muller, Richarme, Hall, Evans, Maness, Fickes
Nays: None
Approved: 6-0 vote
Agenda Item #8-A, ZA 95-102. Plat Revision of Cambridee Place East
ZA 95-102, Plat Revision of Cambridge Place East, being a revision of Lot 8R, Block 1,
Greenlee Business Park, Phase I as shown on the Plat recorded in Cabinet A, Slide 2496,
P.R.T.C.T., being 6.715 acres of land in the John A. Freeman Survey, Abstract No. 529.
Current zoning is "SF-20A" Single Family Residential District. Owner/Applicant: Terra Land
Development. SPIN Neighborhood #8.
The Zoning Administrator, Karen Gandy, commented that one (1) written notice was sent to
property owner within the 200' notification area and no written response has been received. The
applicant has met all the review comments of the Plat Review Summary No. 1 dated December
15, 1995, with the exception of the items addressed in the Plat Review Summary No. 2 dated
December 29, 1995.
Paul Spain, Terra Land Development, Company. Mr. Spain was present to answer questions
for Council. He noted there were thirteen lots changed to eleven lots in order to save trees.
Councilmember Hall commented that Mr. Spain went out with members of Keep
Southlake Beautiful in order to determine which trees should be saved. They
saved many beautiful trees thanks to his efforts.
Motion was made to approve ZA 95-102, subject to the Plat Review Summary No. 2 dated
December 29, 1995; deleting item #4 to allow 30' for Lot 1, Block 1.
Motion: Richarme
Second: Hall
Regular City Council Meeting Minutes
January 2, 1996
page seven
Agenda Item #8-A. Continued
Ayes: Rieharme, Hall, Evans, Maness, Muller, Fickes
Nays: None
Approved: 6-0 vote
Agenda Item #8-B. Ordinance No. 480-189. 1st readine ZA 95-119
Ordinance No. 480-189, 1st reading, ZA 95-119, Rezoning being 0.656 acre tract of land
situated in the A. H. Chivers Survey, Abstract No. 299, Tract 2C4. Current zoning is "AG"
Agricultural District; Requested zoning is "SF-20A" Single Family Residential District.
Owner/Applicant: George F. and Barbara Roberts. SPIN Neighborhood #5.
According to Karen Gandy, Zoning Administrator, five (5) letters were sent to property owners
within the 200' notification area and one (1) written response has been received from Hugh
Martin, 1090 Primrose Lane, Southlake, opposed "because of our water well."
Staff understands that the applicant plans to construct a new home on the lot.
City Engineer Ron Harper stated sewer is available to this lot about 500' away
on North Carroll Avenue.
George Roberts, applicant, stated he and his wife want to build a single family residence on this
lot. The realtor stated they could build but need to go to the Board of Adjustments for a
variance for use of a septic system.
A discussion was held regarding the water well in the general area of the property being
rezoned.
Motion was made to approve Ordinance No. 480-189, 1st reading.
Motion: Muller
Second: Richarme
Mayor Fickes read the caption of the ordinance
Ayes: Muller, Richarme, Maness, Evans, Hall, Fickes
Nays: None
Approved: 6-0 vote
Agenda Item #8-C, ZA 95-122, Concept Plan for Villa~,e Center. Phase I
ZA 95-122, Concept Plan for Village Center, Phase I, Lots 1-4, Block 1, Village Center, being
20.265 acre tract of land situated in the Thomas Mahan Survey, Abstract No. 1049, and a
portion of Tract 6. Current zoning is "C-3" General Commercial District. Owner: James
Farrar, et al. Applicant: Midland Development. SPIN Neighborhood #4. Public Hearing.
Regular City Council Meeting Minutes
January 2, 1996
page eight
Agenda Item #8-C. Continued
Karen Gandy, Zoning Administrator, stated that eight (8) notices were sent to property owners
within the 200' notification area and one (1) written response has been received from J. Larry
Buchanan (Dallas Foam, Inc) 2171 Southlake Blvd., Southlake, in favor.
The Planning and Zoning Commission met on December 21, 1995, and approved the Concept
Plan (5-1) subject to the Plan Review Summary No. 1 dated December 15, 1995 amended as
follows: 1) Item 5D, allow relocation of the required 5' bufferyard along the west line of Lot
2, Block 1 to the entry drive east of Lot 1, Block 1; 2) Delete item 5F, requirement for
bufferyard in Lot 4, Block 1, due to the future SH 114 right-of-way; 3) Item 7B, waive
driveway spacing requirements to allow a right-in-right-out driveway east of LOt 1 and modify
deceleration lane to extend further east of this drive. Also allow drive east of Lot 2 but limit
movements to right-in/left-in/right-out; 4) Delete 7C, driveway throat depth requirement along
Village Center Drive; and 5) Sidewalks along F.M. 1709 to be in accordance with
recommendations of the Trail System Master Plan.
Mrs. Gandy noted there is a small change in the parking configuration in front of the easter most
retail buildings which is different than the parking as shown on the plan reviewed by the
Planning and Zoning Commission. This change did not have an impact on the staff review of
the project since evaluation of the required parking is determined at the site plan stage based on
the proposed uses of the buildings. The building elevations are included in the packet as well
as a staff evaluation of the building articulation compliance. Although the review of building
articulation is typically reviewed at the site plan stage, the applicant is requesting an informal
discussion of the building articulation issues in order to have a better feel for how to proceed
with the building design.
Don Silverman, Midland Group, Dallas. Mr. Silverman stated he has made changes as
suggested by the City Council. The summary review letter was reviewed.
Councilmember Richarme stated he had concerns as follows: with the treatment
on the back of the buildings as they face SH 114; articulation; interior
landscaping; and cut through issue.
Greg Last, Director of Community Development, stated at the concept plan level
staff does not evaluate the interior landscaping.
Councilmember Muller stated there has been a request for a traffic study,
however, we do not have one. She asked Director Campbell to comment on
traffic cutting through from SH 114 to FM 1709 on Village Center Drive.
Campbell stated it is human nature to cut through from one side to another side.
Regular City Council Meeting Minutes
January 2, 1996
page nine
Agenda Item #8-C. Continued
Mr. Silverman stated he feels it is a mis-communication in the request for a traffic study. He
stated he will get the study.
Couneilmember Muller commented on her concern for stacking of cars on an
arterial roadway, and she considers F.M. 1709 as an arterial road. She stated the
development is very nice, but she would hate to see somebody turning in and
someone else backing out and running into each other. Other concerns include
the importance of following our ordinances. A lot of work has gone into the
Corridor Study and the Driveway Ordinance. Ms. Muller commented on this
being the largest commercial development brought before the City; this is not a
tract that has had parcels cut out of it. She asked Mr. Silverman to consider
changing the name of "Village Center."
Councilmember Richarme commented on the number and location of curb-cuts.
He noted a lot of work went into the Corridor Study and the Driveway
Ordinance.
Mr. Silverman stated he will bring back an articulation plan in two weeks.
Councilmember Muller asked to have a common easement shown on the plat that
will be from Wal-Mart to Kroger without going out onto F.M. 1709.
Public Hearing:
Michael Schroetke, 211 Eastwood, Southlake. Mr. Schroetke stated he is opposed to this project
and the placement of the street light. We have the opportunity to have four (4) traffic signals
within the distance of one mile. He feels we need to consider what will be on the other side of
F.M. 1709. By placing the road on the west property line, the City Council requires a tie-in
to Carroll Avenue and one to SH 114. There could be one traffic signal between Kimball
Avenue and Carroll Avenue. The street is the problem, and by granting the signal, we will have
another signal.
Councilmember Hall states she feels we will need another light to direct the flow.
Mayor Fickes stated it was the opinion of the majority of Council that there
would be two traffic signals to handle all the traffic.
Motion was made to approve ZA 95-112, subject to the Plat Review Summary No. 2, dated
December 29, 1995, with the following: driveway #2, fight-in only; access to
Lot #1, first tear of parking be closed off to the south; a four-way stop at the entrance to
Kroger and Village
Regular City Council Meeting Minutes
January 2, 1996
page ten
Aeenda Item #8-C. Continued
Center Drive; right~in/fight-out at SH 114 with no cut through across the highway; and a
common access easement to the southeast corner of the property.
Motion: Muller
Second: Evans
Ayes: Maness, Hall, Evans, Fickes
Nays: Muller, Richarme
Approved: 4-2 vote
Agenda Item #12. Adjournment
The meeting was adjourned by Mayor Fickes at approximately 10:00 p.m.
,.~May~ Ga~ Fic"kes
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This is to inform you that the Board of Directors of the 431 BoIer Road
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Ravenaux Drive in Southlake, are in support of the
Homeowners in allowing the existing road to end in a cul -de -sac.
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Joann C. Webster
Vice President
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December 18, 1995
Mayor Gary Fickes and the Southlake City Council Members
Southlake, TX 76092
Honorable Mayor and City Council Members:
It has recently come to our attention that you may be considering removing the Ravenaux Drive
extension from the city's thoroughfare plan. The extension in question would make Ravenaux Drive a
through street from Whites Chapel to Shady Oaks.
Countryside is very well served by the existing Ravenaux Drive and cul -de -sac. Because of the large
number of children and all of the youth activities which we have occuring through the week, extending
Ravenaux is extremely undesirable to us. The extension would border the entire southern edge of
property and would create serious safety concerns from traffic which we do not have today.
We appreciate the consideration and sensitivity that you have previously shown to our needs and
concerns. Countryside Bible Church would very much like to see this extension removed from the
city's official plans.
Thank you for your consideration of this request.
Sincerely,
:I 7 Dyer
Chairman of the Elder Board
Countryside Bible Church
250 Ravenaux Drive
Southlake, TX 76092
(817) 488 -5381
Tom Watson, Senior Pastor • Mike Richhart, Associate Pastor • Rocky Wyatt, Youth Pastor
250 RAVENAUX DRIVE • SOUTHLAKE, TEXAS 76092 • (817) 488 -5381 - METRO (817) 481-3375
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TO : Mayor Gary Fickes & the Southiake City Council Members
FROM : Ravenaux Place Homeowners Association
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Honorable Mayor and City Council Members:
Recently some members of the City Council and Staffhave indicated to us that the city no longer plans for
Ravenaux Drive to be continued as a through street from Shady Oaks to Whites Chapel. We are writing you
today in support of this position.
Ravenaux Place is a small subdivision consisting of 19 one acre lots. The development on the west or
Whites Chapel end of Ravenaux is of mixed use, Church and Offices, and we feel that it would not be
desirable to connect the roadway through our neighborhood while Whites Chapel is accessible to these
other uses (and actually closer).
As the street exists today it simply stubs out at the end of our addition. There is a small barrier of raiiroa.d
ties apparently to prevent access to the adjacent held. The residents and owners of Ravenaux Place who
have signed the attached sheet are writing to urge you to proceed with the measures necessary for
permanent closure of Ravenaux Drive at the west end, and the Ravenaux Homeowners would like very
much to work with the city on a permanent, more visually pleasing termination of our street.
Thank you in advance for your consideration.
RAVENAUX PLACE
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City of Southlake
667 North Carroll Avenue
Southlake, Texas 76092
RE: Proposed ordinance number 480 -T
Dear Council Members,
With this letter I am expressing my ardent opposition to ordinance 480 -T on outside storage and
satellite dishes. Council overturned the 7 -0 rejection by the Planning and Zoning Commission at
the first reading. I urge you to think about the ramifications of passing this ordinance at its
second reading.
• The outside storage issue is discriminatory in nature as it offers an unfair competitive
advantage to those retailers with over 100,000 square feet of floor space. A lawsuit
brought by a smaller retailer would not only be very easy to win, it would be welcome.
• The only outside storage allowed since 1986 is in I -2; the most severe industrial zoning
allowed in the city. Even I -1 zoning prohibits outside storage. To change the ordinance
now - due to the simple request of a major retailer - will permanently impact the
appearance of Southlake.
• The satellite dish issue is discriminatory. Nearly every retailer accepts major credit cards
today. By passing an ordinance allowing satellite dishes only to gas stations, you are
opening yourself up to lawsuits once again.
• The Texaco station has not shown undue hardship relative to the satellite dish issue. That
dish can be easily moved and screened from public view with a minimum of expense and
effort. They knew the ordinance at installation, and are challenging the city.
• Wal Mart has not shown undue hardship regarding the outside storage issue. As prudent
businessmen, they knew the ordinance well before construction, and know that seasonal
storage is a necessity. They elected to construct their building ignoring the outside
storage issue, and are now challenging the city to change an ordinance which benefits all
citizens for their benefit alone.
• Each of the businesses initiating this ordinance knew or had the right to know the
restrictions imposed on them by the city. Your willingness to change ordinances for any
business that complains establishes a dangerous precedent. A climate of "you did it for
them, do it for us " will be obvious to the entire development community.
Proposed ordinance number 480 -T Page 2
• These two issues should not be considered in the same ordinance. They are not remotely
parallel except in their negative effect on aesthetics.
• The outside storage portion of this ordinance has no time limits; i.e., it does not address
the seasonal nature of the request. As written, the ordinance would allow outside storage
365 days per year.
• The passage of this ordinance would have a negative effect on the appearance of our city
today, which will be amplified in the future as commercial development increases..
You have expressed time and time again the necessity to be a good neighbor (to the business
community). I suggest that goes both ways. The history of other cities ordinances will clearly
show that even the most restrictive restrictions will not prevent commercial development; they
will find a way to deal within the guidelines. It's time the business community illustrates its
neighborliness to the citizens.
I urge you to rethink this ordinance and its implications to Southlake.
Sincerely,
Michael Schroetke
211 Eastwood Drive
Southlake, Texas 76092
(817) 424 -0009
cc: Greg Last
Allen Taylor