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SPIN2023-18 - 300 W Bob Jones Rd and 4440 N White Chapel BlvdQJ SOUTHLAKE SPIN MEETING REPORT SPIN Item Number: SPIN2023-18 City Case Number: N/A Project Name: Lakehaven Trails SPIN Neighborhood: 1 Meeting Date: September 26, 2023 Meeting Location: 1400 Main Street, Southlake, TX City Council Chambers Total Attendance: 75 Hosts: Renee Thomas Applicant Presenting: Curtis Young and Travis Franks City Staff Present: Madeline Prater, Business Manager Town Hall Forums can be viewed in their entirety by visiting http://www.cityofsouthlake.com and clicking on "I Want to" and "View" "Video on Demand" — forums are listed under SPIN by meeting date. FORUM SUMMARY: Property Situation: 300 W. Bob Jones Rd. and 4440 N. White Chapel Blvd. — 11.7 acres located at the northwest corner of N. White Chapel Blvd. and W. Bob Jones Rd. Development Details: • Future Land Use: Low Density Residential • Zoning: RE-5 and SF-1A • Proposing 18 half -acre custom homesites o Entrances to development from Bob Jones and White Chapel o No driveways off White Chapel o Drainage into detention pond • Entry design with water features and landscaping o Potential gated community Presentation: Lake aven Trails Acrial Subject Property mUP No Text Lakehawn Trails Entry Design Water features and abundant landscaping. 02 Entry Renderings Lakehaven Trails Entry Renderings w Li � , ',, Entry Rendei mg<; s Lakeloven Entry Renderings l aweda v n Trail Site an/ Details Lakeluven eaz&Z ?, / jol� �� , l ^\ .v>. ... �W I 01 III Comment, Questions, and Concerns: Question: We have problems with drainage out there. We want to make sure the drainage does not disturb us. What is your plan for drainage? Answer: We met with the Corps of Engineering on this and verified they abandoned the stream/creek. The drainage will be taken underneath the road and dumped into the detention pond. Question: Did you take over the corner lot next to the horse farm? Answer: Yes, that is part of this as well. Question: That is how you got to 11 acres? Answer: Yes, 11.7 acres. Question: How about the entrance off White Chapel? This area is narrow and fairly blind. Answer: Main entry would be proposed off Bob Jones Rd. We will have a traffic study done. Concern: Aesthetics of the fencing in the area. Answer: This plan shows wrought iron with masonry columns. Question: There are people in Southlake who prefer half -acre lots to one -acre lots? Answer: It was presented that way in the Corridor Committee meeting. This is a representation of City Council, Planning and Zoning Commission, and Parks Board. Comment: We are strongly opposed to this development. This decreases the charm of the community. It seems like you are adding a lot of density into this small area. Answer: This is why we are doing a traffic study. Comment: North of SH 114 is different density wise. Question: For fencing, what about the back of the houses? What is your plan? Answer: There will be an HOA within this development that would maintain the fencing and landscaping. For now, wrought iron and masonry columns is the plan, but we will let the Planning and Zoning Commission and City Council have the final say. Question: Have you done other developments around the city? Answer: I have, this is our 51n Question: Have you made deals with the city where you did another development, and they grant you a waiver for future developments? Answer: No. That is not the way it works in my experience. That would never be entertained. Question: What are the estimated price ranges for these luxury homes? Answer: 2.5 — 3 million. Question: Do you own the property? Answer: I have not closed on the property yet because of the zoning change we are asking for. It's under contract. Question: Do you have a diagram that shows your one -acre plan? Answer: Not with us tonight, but we do have one. Comment: Would the full one -acre lots be emptying out onto White Chapel? Answer: Three of the houses would come off Bob Jones and the rest would use White Chapel Comment: We fully support development and the one -acre lot concept in line with the SF-1A zoning. Question: On the 18-lot concept, what is the setback? Answer: From the rear property line along White Chapel — 40ft. From the front of the property — 35ft. Question: Are you handing anything out with this plan and/or the other plan? Answer: We do not have anything to hand out, but we can send you the information. Question: What is the construction timing for this development? Answer: In a perfect world, this development will visit one Planning and Zoning Commission meeting and two City Council meetings. If approved, we would have three months of engineering with permitting, then start moving dirt. Best case scenario would be April/May. If the one -acre lot concept was approved, then it would be a few months shorter than that. Question: Is it difficult to conduct a traffic study when White Chapel is closed? Answer: It is not difficult, because they have all their information around peak moments. Comment: We would like to maintain the low -density nature of this area with one -acre lots. We have a nice rural feel with a lot of wildlife. Question: What is the valuation of the lots? Answer: Sitting between 725 — 800 on a half -acre Question: The rear setback was 40ft? And the front setback was 35ft? Answer: Yes Comment: 35ft seems a little close. The Saddleback residences sit at 100ft. We did this as a developer. Question: What type of builders are you looking for? Half -acre lots, in a down market, will attract quasi -custom home builders. Could you give confidence that these would not be given to a quasi -production home builder? Answer: Never a production sell-off. We would have top quality builders in our town already. Question: Can you speak to the design guidelines? Answer: It would probably equal what Saddleback has — masonry requirements, hard surface roof requirement (no shingle), with tree and landscaping requirements. Similar to Oxford Place. Question: Minimum square footage? Answer: We have not decided yet, it is still preliminary. I would guess 3,500 - 4,000 sq. ft. Question: Drainage wise, what are your plans for the velocity of the drainage coming down into the detention pond? Answer: Our civil engineer has not done a complete study yet, but we would drain to that detention pond and then it would be sent to Lake Grapevine. Question: With a potential gate option, how would you position the stacking depth? Answer: We feel the gate supports a high -end community. We still need to work with the offset of stackable code that the city requires. Since this is preliminary, the gate can disappear if it needs to. Question: What is the street width? Answer: 50ft right-of-way Question: How will you handle sewer and lift stations with this type of density? Answer: I'm not sure what the answer would be. Our engineer said it's doable. Either plan will be fully supported by city sewer, gas, and water. Comment: Personally, I do not think you can develop a half -acre lots here. SPIN Meeting Reports are general observations of SPIN Meetings by City staff and SPIN Representatives. The report is neither verbatim nor official meeting minutes; rather it serves to inform elected and appointed officials, City staff, and the public of the issues and questions raised by residents and the general responses made. Responses as summarized in this report should not be taken as guarantees by the applicant. Interested parties are strongly encouraged to follow the case through the Planning and Zoning Commission and final action by City Council. SPIN Town Hall Forum Online Question and Comment Forms Received 9126/23, 9:07 AM Mail - Madeline Prater - Outlook Fw: Online Form Submittal: Planning & Zoning Case Input Form Morgan Barclay <MBarclay@ci.southlake.tx.us> Tue 9/26/2023 8:16 AM To:Madeline Prater <mprater@ci.southlake.tx.us> Good morning Madeline, Received this for the SPIN case on Bob Jones. Thank you, M*r L#VT1a T1ay Planning Technician Planning and Development Services I City of Southlake Phone: 817-748-8127 Email: mbarclay_@ci.southlake.tx.us We are always looking for input and ways to continue to improve. Please take a few minutes to complete the short Customer Service Survey_ From: noreply@civicplus.com <noreply@civicplus.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 8:11 AM To: Dennis Killough <dkillough@ci.southlake.tx.us>; Jennifer Crosby <jcrosby@cityofsouthlake.com>; Reagan Rothenberger<rrothenberger@ci.southlake.tx.us>; Morgan Barclay <mbarclay@ci.southlake.tx.us>; Melissa Burnett <mburnett@cityofsouthlake.com>; Peyton Sherman <psherman@ci.south lake.tx.us>; Katasha Smithers <ksmithers@ci.southla ke.tx. us> Subject: Online Form Submittal: Planning & Zoning Case Input Form Planning & Zoning Case Input Form Project Name White Chapel and W. Bob Jones Planning & Zoning Case SPIN2023-18 Number Project Location White Chapel and W. Bob Jones I am: Opposed Comments / Explanation The city has worked to create a general plan with certain density requirements for various areas. The particular parcel requires a minimum of 1 acre/house zoning which is consistent with the neighborhood and being across from the equestrian area. Increasing density on this lot negatively impacts the neighborhood. (Section Break) First Name John Last Name Burkart https://outlook. office. com/Mai Ilnb ox! d/AAQkAGI3 N DY3YmMz LTVh N TOtNGU4YS05Y2M 1 LTgyNzJmZj Nk N G Uz NAAQAEJ CZO%2Boaox PvbSct4Cq... 1 /2 926/23, 9:07 AM Mail - Madeline Prater - Outlook Address 4428 Saddle Ridge Road Phone Number (Optional) Field not completed. City Southlake State TX Zip 76092 Disclaimer This form is to provide feedback on planning & zoning -related requests. Your comments are placed in the related case file as a matter of public record and forwarded to the Planning & Zoning Commission and City Council if action is required by these bodies. Your submission of this form shall not be considered a formal protest under Section 211.006(d) of the Texas Local Government Code unless your signature is uploaded and submitted with this form. —Please note any forms submitted after four PH on the meeting date may not be recorded until the following business day*** Disclaimer Acknowledgment Yes, I understand Signature (For Formal image. pg Protests) Email not displaying correctly? View it in your browser. https://outlook.office.com/maillnboxld/AAQkAGI3NDY3YmMzLTVhNTOtNGU4YS05Y2M1 LTgyNzJmZjNkNGUzNAAQAEJCZO%2BoaoxPvbSct4Cq... 2/2 9126/23, 3:56 PM Mail - Madeline Prater - Outlook Online Form Submittal: SPIN Town Hall Forum Question / Comment Form noreply@civicplus.com <noreply@civicplus.com> Tue 9/26/2023 3:55 PM To:Madeline Prater <mprater@cityofsouthlake.com> SPIN Town Hall Forum Question / Comment Form Can't make it to a SPIN Town Hall Forum but still have a question or comment on an item being presented? Use this form! Those who wish to ask a question or make a comment on an item being presented at a SPIN Town Hall Forum may do so by electronically submitting this form. The meeting host will make an effort to get to each question and/or comment submitted. However, please be aware that it is possible not all questions and/or comments submitted will be read during the SPIN Town Hall Forum. Questions and/or comments submitted before 5:00 p.m. on the meeting date will be included in the meeting report for that specific item. SPIN Meeting Date 9/26/23 SPIN Item # or Item SPIN2023-18 Description First Name Julian Last Name Fisher Email Address 4492 Soda Ridge Rd City Southlake State TX Question or Comment A lot of planning work was done to identify the limits of the resources available to the North Sector per the Land Use Sectors Plan 2035. Current development limits of 1-acre need to be maintained until further evaluation and impact assessment are needed to understand the infrastructure requirements to support higher density development neighborhoods. Our property is on septic and at the end of the line for water and power. Is there sewer and water capacity available for this development? Smaller than 1 acre lots definitely can not support their own septic fields. Existing property owners in this area need more time to evaluate any https://outlook. office. com/mai Ilnb ox/ld/AAQkAGI3 N DY3YmMz LTVh N TOtNGU4YS05Y2M 1 LTgyNzJmZj Nk N G Uz NAAQAC6l F 1 %2 B PZL 1 Prn dzLIAQ%... 1 /2 926/23, 3:56 PM Mail - Madeline Prater - Outlook work done by the city to accept this proposal or hire the expertise to complete a more in-depth study. Thank you. Zip 76092 Email not displaying correctly? View it in your browser. https://outlook.office.com/maillnboxld/AAQkAGI3NDY3YmMzLTVhNTOtNGU4YS05Y2M1 LTgyNzJmZjNkNGUzNAAQAC6lF1 %2BPZL1 PrndzLIAQ%... 2/2 9126/23, 4:27 PM Mail - Madeline Prater - Outlook Online Form Submittal: SPIN Town Hall Forum Question / Comment Form noreply@civicplus.com <noreply@civicplus.com> Tue 9/26/2023 4:22 PM To:Madeline Prater <mprater@cityofsouthlake.com> SPIN Town Hall Forum Question / Comment Form Can't make it to a SPIN Town Hall Forum but still have a question or comment on an item being presented? Use this form! Those who wish to ask a question or make a comment on an item being presented at a SPIN Town Hall Forum may do so by electronically submitting this form. The meeting host will make an effort to get to each question and/or comment submitted. However, please be aware that it is possible not all questions and/or comments submitted will be read during the SPIN Town Hall Forum. Questions and/or comments submitted before 5:00 p.m. on the meeting date will be included in the meeting report for that specific item. SPIN Meeting Date 09/26/2023 SPIN Item # or Item SPIN2023-18 Description First Name Jeffrey Last Name Gibbens Email Address 4527 N White Chapel Blvd City Southlake State TX Question or Comment We support the City of Southlake "Southlake 2035 vision" and expressed "character" of the North sector known for low -density homes, horse farms, and preserved land. We support maintaining the current zoning (5-acre lots). We also support construction, building, and growth of surrounding designated "low density" residential homes (in line with neighboring SF-1 A single family residential district, 1-acre lots). Thank you for your consideration in this matter. Zip 76092 Email not displaying correctly? View it in your browser. https:/Ioutlook.office.com/maillnboxld/AAQkAGI3NDY3YmMzLTVhNTOtNGU4YS05Y2M1LTgyNzJmZjNkNGUzNAAQAHL2oC41UOZCt9wdUljjDe8%3D 1/2 927/23, 10:35 AM Mail - Madeline Prater - Outlook Online Form Submittal: SPIN Town Hall Forum Question / Comment Form noreply@civicplus.com <noreply@civicplus.com> Tue 9/26/2023 9:19 PM To:Madeline Prater <mprater@cityofsouthlake.com> SPIN Town Hall Forum Question / Comment Form Can't make it to a SPIN Town Hall Forum but still have a question or comment on an item being presented? Use this form! Those who wish to ask a question or make a comment on an item being presented at a SPIN Town Hall Forum may do so by electronically submitting this form. The meeting host will make an effort to get to each question and/or comment submitted. However, please be aware that it is possible not all questions and/or comments submitted will be read during the SPIN Town Hall Forum. Questions and/or comments submitted before 5:00 p.m. on the meeting date will be included in the meeting report for that specific item. SPIN Meeting Date September26, 2023 SPIN Item # or Item SPIN2023-18 White Chapel Estates Description First Name Zoe Last Name Sexhus Email Address 500 E Bob Jones Road, Southlake City Southlake State TX Question or Comment Hello, This area is unique because of its quiet rural environment. For safety reasons, the equestrian center next door to this property will bare a burden with the construction, traffic and potential for drainage issues onto their pastures and riding areas. This part of Southlake is green with loads of wildlife crisscrossing the N. White Chapel landscape. We are immersed in nature. The city has failed in their due diligence to provide access to this area, poor infrastructure (BRIDGE being worked on for a 2nd time), thus the city has no business nor authority to add another neighborhood to this part of town. We moved to this area of https://outlook. office. com/mai Ilnb ox! d/AAQkAGI3 N DY3YmMz LTVh N TOtNGU4YS05Y2M 1 LTgyNzJmZj Nk N G Uz NAAQAL EYs 5lr1 FVGh K5 Jfh KPsV4%... 1 /2 927/23, 10:35 AM Mail - Madeline Prater - Outlook Southlake because we own horses. The developer that was trying to sub -divide our property was met with protest and withdrew his proposal to subdivide our property, and that's when we offered to buy it from him. I welcome these developers to come visit my property and observe the activities in the area. This proposed development will change the environment and affect land values. This will forever become a mark on this developer and builder. Out of respect for my community, 1 acre lots should be maintained with setbacks similar to saddleback. Homes should not be viewed when driving on E Bob Jones road approaching N White Chapel. Homes should be completely obscured, and further, fencing should be open to allow for wildlife to roam freely as they presently do today. The greater density that will be introduced and added drainage issues will cause dire issues to the environment, and personal property around the ''pond" which has been noted to be the depository for all the water runoff. It will create huge overflow and flooding issues for the surrounding property owners. This will be the tipping point in forever changing the landscape of this beautiful community. Zip 76092 Email not displaying correctly? View it in your browser. https://outl ook. office. com/mai Ilnb ox! d/AAQkAGl3 N DY3YmMz LTVh N TQtNGU4YS05Y2M 1 LTgyNzJmZj Nk N G Uz NAAQAL EYs 51r1 FVGh K5 Jfh KPsV4%... 2/2 9126/23, 4:04 PM Mail - Madeline Prater - Outlook Online Form Submittal: SPIN Town Hall Forum Question / Comment Form noreply@civicplus.com <noreply@civicplus.com> Tue 9/26/2023 4:01 PM To:Madeline Prater <mprater@cityofsouthlake.com> SPIN Town Hall Forum Question / Comment Form Can't make it to a SPIN Town Hall Forum but still have a question or comment on an item being presented? Use this form! Those who wish to ask a question or make a comment on an item being presented at a SPIN Town Hall Forum may do so by electronically submitting this form. The meeting host will make an effort to get to each question and/or comment submitted. However, please be aware that it is possible not all questions and/or comments submitted will be read during the SPIN Town Hall Forum. Questions and/or comments submitted before 5:00 p.m. on the meeting date will be included in the meeting report for that specific item. SPIN Meeting Date 9/26 SPIN Item # or Item Proposed development on North White Chapel RD at Bob Description Jones First Name David Last Name Thomas Email Address 4429 Saddle Ridge Rd City Southlake State Tx Question or Comment Adding higher density at a time when our North White Chapel neighborhood is severely constrained due to a poorly planned bridge rebuild and concurrent Kirkwood 114 exit enabled is concerning. Our Public Safety response times have quadrupled at no fault from our first responders.. this is unacceptable and puts us at risk in case of fire or medical emergency.. Zip 76092 Email not displaying correctly? 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