2000-10-19 P&Z Meeting
1 REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING
2 COMMISSION MEETING
3 October 19, 2000
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5 COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: Vice-Chairman Michael Boutte; and Commissioners Kenneth
6 Horne, James Jones, Pamela Muller, Vernon Stansell, and John Terrell.
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8 COMMISSIONERS ABSENT: Chairman Dennis King.
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10 CITY STAFF PRESENT: Bruce Payne, Director of Planning; Charlie Thomas, City Engineer;
11 Dennis Killough, Senior Planner; Ken Baker, Senior Planner; Angela Turner, Graduate Engineer;
12 and Lori Farwell, Planning Secretary.
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14 Chairman Boutte called the meeting to order at 6:43 p.m.
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16 There was no Work Session held.
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18 AGENDA ITEM #2, APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
19 Chairman Boutte opened discussion of the minutes of the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting
20 held on October 5, 2000.
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22 Motion was made to approve the minutes of the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting held on
23 October 5, 2000, as presented.
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25 Motion: Jones
26 Second: Muller
27 Ayes: Horne, Stansell, Terrell, Muller, Jones, Boutte
28 Nays: None
29 Approved: 6-0
30 Motion carried.
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32 (Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 10-19-00, tape 1, section #0021)
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34 AGENDA ITEM #3, ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS:
35 There were no Administrative Comments.
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37 AGENDA ITEM #4, ZA00-106, FINAL PLAT OF WORTHING ADDITION:
38 Senior Planner Ken Baker presented this item to the Commission for a Final Plat of Worthing
39 Addition on property described as Tract 2C1, J. W. Hale Survey, Abstract No. 803, involving 6.5043
40 acres. The property is located on the south side of Rainbow Drive across from Sussex Court. The
41 Current Zoning is "SF-20A" Single Family Residential District. The Land Use Category is Medium
42 Density Residential. The Owners of the property are John K. and Michelle M. Wetteland. The
43 Applicant is Talisman Homes. No written notices were required to be sent to surrounding property
44 owners.
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1 Senior Planner Dennis Killough said the Preliminary Plat was approved with ten lots, and the
2 applicant has reduced that number to nine on this Final Plat.
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4 Pete Cline (Talisman Homes) 1609 Oak Knoll Drive, Colleyville, Texas, presented this item to the
5 Commission and discussed the requested variance with them.
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7 Commissioner Horne asked Mr. Cline if he intends to build a wall along Rainbow Drive. Mr. Cline
8 said he intends to build a wall along Lot 1, but Lots 8 and 9 will have wrought iron fencing with
9 columns.
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11 Commissioner Muller asked staff if people are allowed to fence in their front yards. Mr. Killough
12 said there are no restrictions regarding that issue; they are allowed to fence their property line.
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14 Commissioner Horne said he does not mind the fence so much as the wall; at least people can see
15 through the wrought iron.
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17 Commissioner Muller said she is not real keen on the idea of having wrought iron and brick in the
18 front yards of Lots 8 and 9. Commissioner Horne said he is not happy with that either.
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20 Commissioner Horne said at every City Council meeting he has been to in the last seven or eight
21 years, someone invariably says they moved to Southlake for the rural atmosphere and then they wall
22 themselves in which is not very rural.
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24 The Commission discussed the requested variance to the building setback line.
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26 Commissioner Muller asked how often variances are granted for side yards. Director Payne said it is
27 not infrequent; 35' on both sides is pretty hefty.
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29 Commissioner Muller asked what the average has been. Director Payne said it is generally between
30 20' and 25'.
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32 Commissioner Muller said the lots are usually on a cul-de-sac when a variance is granted for 15' side
33 yards. Mr. Killough said it is usually on an internal street of a subdivision rather than a collector
34 street.
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36 Motion was made to approve ZA00-106 subject to Plat Review Summary No. 2, dated October 13,
37 2000, allowing variance for 15' building line in Item #1.
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39 Motion: Terrell
40 Second: Stansell
41 Ayes: Stansell, Terrell, Boutte
42 Nays: Muller, Jones, Horne
43 Vote: 3-3
44 Motion failed.
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1 (Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 10-19-00, tape 1, section #0530)
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3 Commissioner Terrell asked Mr. Cline if it is possible that he expand the 15' side yard to 25'. Mr.
4 Cline said he is only asking for a variance on Lots 7 and 8 which does not impact Rainbow Drive at
5 all. He said builders would be putting garage entrances on the sides where he is asking for 15'.
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7 Commissioner Horne asked if there will be a sidewalk on Worthing Court. Mr. Killough said there
8 will be sidewalks on both sides of Worthing Court.
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10 Commissioner Horne asked if the sidewalk will be located within the 15' setback. Mr. Killough said
11 no; it would be located within the right-of-way. If they build the house right up to the 15' building
12 line, he said they would have about 26' from the house to the curb.
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14 Commissioner Horne said it makes a big difference to him in that the sidewalk is not within the 15'
15 building line. Commissioner Jones said he feels better about that, too.
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17 Motion was made to approve ZA00-106 subject to Plat Review Summary No. 2, dated October 13,
18 2000, allowing variance for 15' building line in Item #1.
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20 Motion: Terrell
21 Second: Stansell
22 Ayes: Terrell, Jones, Horne, Stansell, Boutte
23 Nays: Muller
24 Approved: 5-1
25 Motion carried.
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27 (Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 10-19-00, tape 1, section #0688)
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29 AGENDA ITEM #5, ZA00-093, SITE PLAN FOR ST. LAURENCE EPISCOPAL CHURCH:
30 Senior Planner Ken Baker presented this item to the Commission for a Site Plan for St. Laurence
31 Episcopal Church on property described as Lot 1R, Block A, St. Laurence Episcopal Church
32 Addition, and being 5.574 acres. The property is located at 519 North Kimball Road being on the
33 east side of North Kimball Avenue approximately 1,000' north of State Highway 114. The Current
34 Zoning is "CS" Community Service District. The Land Use Category is Public/Semi-Public. The
35 Owner of the property is The Episcopal Diocese of Fort Worth. The Applicant is Arthur Weinman,
36 Architects. Thirteen written notices were sent to property owners within the 200' notification area,
37 and three responses were received with two being opposed and one being in favor.
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39 Mike Peacock (on the Building Committee for St. Laurence Episcopal Church) presented this item to
40 the Commission and reviewed the requested variances with them.
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42 Commissioner Muller asked if there is any chance the church will offer preschool classes or school
43 activities. Mr. Peacock said it is no where in the plans; they have a five-year plan now and it is not in
44 that plan. With the quality of the surrounding schools, he said most parents are pretty happy.
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1 Chairman Boutte opened the Public Hearing. No one in the audience stepped forward to speak.
2 Chairman Boutte closed the Public Hearing.
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4 (Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 10-19-00, tape 1, section #1068)
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6 Arthur Weinman (Architect) 6777 Camp Bowie Boulevard, Suite 339, Fort Worth, Texas, presented
7 the articulation variance to the Commission.
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9 Commissioner Stansell asked if there was a previous variance given for articulation. Senior Planner
10 Dennis Killough said no. He said the plan completed in 1997 did not require articulation because the
11 residency adjacency standards were not in place at that time.
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13 Motion was made to approve ZA00-093 subject to Site Plan Review Summary No. 3, dated October
14 13, 2000, approving the articulation variance in Item #1 and the driveway variances in Item #2.
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16 Motion: Jones
17 Second: Horne
18 Ayes: Muller, Jones, Horne, Stansell, Terrell, Boutte
19 Nays: None
20 Approved: 6-0
21 Motion carried.
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23 (Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 10-19-00, tape 1, section #1550)
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25 AGENDA ITEM #6, ZA00-101, PLAT REVISION OF PROPOSED LOTS 7A & 7B, J. J.
26 FRESHOUR NO. 521 ADDITION:
27 Senior Planner Ken Baker presented this item to the Commission for a Plat Revision of proposed
28 Lots 7A & 7B, J. J. Freshour No. 521 Addition on property described as Lot 7, J. J. Freshour No.
29 521 Addition, being 3.41 acres. The property is located on the north side of Johnson Road
30 approximately 500' east of North Pearson Lane. The Current Zoning is "SF-1B" Single Family
31 Residential District. The Land Use Category is Low Density Residential. The Owner of the property
32 is Lee Huntley. The Applicants are David and Alisha LeBrun. One written notice was sent to the
33 property owner within 200' and within the subdivision, and no response was received.
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35 Alisha LeBrun presented this item to the Commission and reviewed the requested variance with
36 them.
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38 Chairman Boutte opened the Public Hearing.
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40 Sharon Small, 3204 Johnson Road, Southlake, Texas, said the fire lane was checked out last year by
41 the city, and it passed. She said the city also verified that they are within the required distance of a
42 fire hydrant.
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44 Chairman Boutte closed the Public Hearing.
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1 (Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 10-19-00, tape 1, section #1836)
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3 Motion was made to approve ZA00-101 subject to Plat Review Summary No. 2, dated October 13,
4 2000, approving the variance to Item #1 (all lots shall abut a street).
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6 Motion: Stansell
7 Second: Terrell
8 Ayes: Jones, Horne, Stansell, Terrell, Muller, Boutte
9 Nays: None
10 Approved: 6-0
11 Motion carried.
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13 (Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 10-19-00, tape 1, section #1878)
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15 AGENDA ITEM #7, ZA00-108, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC
16 BEVERAGES FOR ON-PREMISE CONSUMPTION:
17 Senior Planner Ken Baker presented this item to the Commission for a Specific Use Permit for the
18 sale of alcoholic beverages for on-premise consumption on property described as a portion of Lot 1,
19 Block 10, Southlake Town Square, Phase II. The property is located at 1244 Prospect Street being
20 on the north side of Prospect Street approximately 250' east of North Carroll Avenue. The Current
21 Zoning is "S-P-1" Detailed Site Plan District with "C-3" General Commercial District uses including
22 a U.S. Post Office and associated outside storage. The Land Use Category is Mixed Use. The Owner
23 of the property is Cooper & Stebbins. The Applicant is Badger Investments dba Sandella's Café.
24 Two written notices were sent to property owners within the 200' notification area, and no responses
25 were received.
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27 Sheila Cross (Badger Investments) 7001 Gladwyne Court, Colleyville, Texas, presented this item to
28 the Commission.
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30 Commissioner Horne asked Ms. Cross if they will have outside seating and if they intend to serve
31 alcohol outside. Ms. Cross said they will have sidewalk seating, but they will not be serving any
32 alcohol outside. She said TABC requires them to post signs that indicate there cannot be alcohol
33 consumption outside unless there is a concealed, gated area with a staff person outside. She said it is
34 not in the plans right now, but it depends on how successful the restaurant is.
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36 Chairman Boutte opened the Public Hearing. No one in the audience stepped forward to speak.
37 Chairman Boutte closed the Public Hearing.
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39 (Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 10-19-00, tape 1, section #2113)
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41 Motion was made to approve ZA00-108.
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43 Motion: Terrell
44 Second: Stansell
45 Ayes: Horne, Stansell, Terrell, Muller, Jones, Boutte
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1 Nays: None
2 Approved: 6-0
3 Motion carried.
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5 (Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 10-19-00, tape 1, section #2138)
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7 AGENDA ITEM #8, ZA00-113, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR SPECIAL EVENTS
8 ASSOCIATED WITH THE GRAND OPENING OF THE CIVIC PLACE BUILDING:
9 Senior Planner Ken Baker presented this item to the Commission for a Specific Use Permit for
10 Special Events associated with the grand opening of the Civic Place building on property described
11 as a portion of Southlake Town Square, Phase I. The property is located on Civic Place being
12 directly north of Town Hall. The Current Zoning is “NR-PUD” Non-residential Planned Unit
13 Development to include "C-3" General Commercial District uses. The Land Use Category is Mixed
14 Use. The Owner of the property is Cooper & Stebbins. The Applicant is Southlake Town Square.
15 One written notice was sent to property owners within the 200' notification area, and no responses
16 were received.
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18 Nancy Hormann (Vice-President of Management for Southlake Town Square) presented this item to
19 the Commission. She said when they submitted the application the date of November 10 was correct,
20 but they subsequently found out that it was the last football game and senior night. She said they do
21 not want to compete with the other event so they changed the date to November 11.
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23 Chairman Boutte opened the Public Hearing. No one in the audience stepped forward to speak.
24 Chairman Boutte closed the Public Hearing.
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26 (Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 10-19-00, tape 1, section #2248)
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28 Motion was made to approve ZA00-113 for November 11, 2000, from 6:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m.
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30 Motion: Muller
31 Second: Horne
32 Ayes: Stansell, Terrell, Muller, Jones, Horne, Boutte
33 Nays: None
34 Approved: 6-0
35 Motion carried.
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37 (Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 10-19-00, tape 1, section #2278)
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40 AGENDA ITEM #9, AMENDMENT TO THE CURRENTLY ADOPTED MASTER
41 THOROUGHFARE PLAN:
42 Senior Planner Ken Baker presented this item to the Commission. He said staff is requesting a
43 recommendation from the Commission to the City Council for an amendment to the Master
44 Thoroughfare Plan to indicate a general alignment for a two-lane undivided collector with 64' of
45 right-of-way (ROW) between White Chapel Boulevard and Peytonville Avenue. He stressed that
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1 staff is asking for a general alignment at this time; the ultimate alignment will be based on
2 development at a future date. He said it provides the city a basis or a rational nexus to have the
3 owners dedicate the necessary right-of-way for future construction. Also, he said it would allow the
4 roadway to be funded through the CIP and allow the city to use traffic impact funds.
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6 Commissioner Jones asked if this road will be two lanes going both directions. Mr. Baker said it is
7 two lanes with enough ROW to provide a trail on one side.
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9 Commissioner Jones asked if it is possible to make it four lanes. Mr. Baker said the Commission
10 could always make that recommendation.
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12 City Engineer Charlie Thomas said one consideration the Commission may want to make is that
13 there is a need for left turn lanes at the intersections. He said when the Clow property is developed
14 there would be some intersecting streets that this collector would give access to. It would be his
15 recommendation from a traffic engineering standpoint that a three lane street would be more
16 appropriate to construct in this area since it provides a continuous left turn lane that would allow
17 safer turning movements.
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19 Commissioner Terrell asked if the SPIN groups were opposed to wider streets in this area. Director
20 of Planning Bruce Payne said there are two issues here: 1) the policy question of whether or not
21 there should be a collector street extending from North White Chapel Boulevard to North
22 Peytonville Avenue; and 2) the issue of exactly where that road should be. He said staff is not
23 attempting to address the second issue right now. He said the area of disagreement was usually
24 surrounding the specific alignment of the road.
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26 Chairman Boutte said this city has worked long and hard on this proposal. He said we are at a point
27 tonight where we are looking at a two-lane road running through there. He said he could make a
28 strong argument that widening roads makes them more dangerous especially through neighborhoods;
29 it encourages higher speeds. He said this is going to be a 30 mph two-lane road, and he does not
30 particularly want it to be wide. He does not think the Commission needs to throw that subject open
31 tonight. He thinks the Commission should look at what is before them tonight which is a two-lane
32 road and does not think they should spur-of-the-moment decide to make it wider than what people
33 have agreed to. He said this is the result of a year of public quarreling.
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35 Commissioner Horne agreed but said when those properties start developing, those same people will
36 send letters saying they cannot get out of their driveways and that they are parked behind a school
37 bus and cannot get onto Peytonville Avenue or Shady Oaks or White Chapel Boulevard because of
38 the school traffic. He said once they receive those letters it will be too late because the properties
39 will already be developed. He said if the Commission addresses a three-lane road now, they will
40 solve a lot of problems.
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42 Commissioner Muller stated that there are a lot of two-lane roads by school properties now.
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44 Chairman Boutte said when the Clow property develops, it will be low density residential which
45 means there will not be that many homes there. He said that development will have multiple
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1 entrances, and it will not all dump onto one street.
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3 Commissioner Jones said the two letters received from Coventry Manor residents state they are
4 having an incredibly hard time getting in and out of their own subdivision. With a two-lane road, he
5 said anyone who wants to make a left-hand turn is going to put their blinker on to turn and will back
6 up traffic behind them. If there is a pretty big line of oncoming traffic, their lane of traffic will be at a
7 standstill until they make the turn. It seems to him that if we are going to do this thoroughfare, it is
8 incumbent upon the Commission to think it through. He said this is one mile of a whole lot of people
9 with a whole lot going on, and he thinks there needs to be a turn lane. He just does not understand
10 how an additional 12' of road will hurt the thoroughfare plan for one mile.
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12 City Engineer Charlie Thomas said the two-lane collector in the Master Thoroughfare Plan is a 40'
13 wide street. He said that is what they would normally stripe if they did a continuous left turn lane. He
14 said with a 40' street, they could get a continuous left turn lane with three 12' lanes. He said the
15 terminology of two-lanes is maybe a misnomer in this particular instance because our Master
16 Thoroughfare Plan would allow them to get the third lane in there.
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18 Commissioner Horne said we need the third lane in his opinion. He said we are asking for trouble if
19 there are two lanes going through this much open land that is going to be developed as residential
20 with that many schools involved.
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22 Commissioner Terrell said he would like to see three lanes, too, but he does not want to second
23 guess a year's worth of preparation of going through the various SPIN meetings.
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25 Commissioner Jones said we would not be widening something that was not already planned; we
26 would simply be striping it differently.
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28 Chairman Boutte asked staff why it was brought to the Commission in this form.
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30 Director Payne said previous discussions had always been about two lanes and even though we say
31 three lanes, we are still talking about two travel lanes. He said the center lane is only intended to
32 increase the capacity of the road by removing left-hand traffic out of the travel lane. He said the
33 difference between two lanes and three lanes is really nothing more than a question of striping.
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35 Commissioner Terrell asked if there would still be a trail if this road is striped for three lanes. Mr.
36 Baker said there would still be a trail on one side and possibly on both.
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38 Chairman Boutte said he had no doubt that this item would have been approved by a vote of 6-0 until
39 the Commission started messing with what had been presented to them after a year of public
40 meetings. He is very reluctant to mess with what the Commission has before them. He said the
41 Commission opened up new questions that were not before them.
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43 (Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 10-19-00, tape 1, section #3541)
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45 Chairman Boutte said that although this item is not a Public Hearing, he would allow anyone in the
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1 audience who wanted to speak the opportunity to do so.
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3 Michael Covert, 1335 Woodbrook Lane, Southlake, Texas, asked if there were SPIN meetings that
4 considered the alignment of this road. He said people will use this road to go through his subdivision
5 to get to Randol Mill. He said this is setting up something that will have a big impact in the future.
6 He thinks it is a bad idea to tie an east-west road to a subdivision; the reason Coventry has the
7 problem it has is because Highland ends at Turnberry Lane. Doing this would be creating the same
8 problem we already have with Coventry. He asked how traffic on Randol Mill will get to Shady
9 Oaks in the future.
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11 Director Payne said there is no basis to believe that there will be any great increase in traffic moving
12 from Randol Mill to Shady Oaks; there is no evidence to substantiate that claim. There is nothing
13 that would generate any more traffic than what is there today.
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15 Mr. Covert asked about future development along Randol Mill. Director Payne said it is all zoned
16 low density residential except for the intersection with F.M. 1709 and the intersection with S.H. 114.
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18 Mr. Covert asked how those people will get to work. He said the traffic flowing through Coventry is
19 not just people taking their children to school; there are people driving to work through that
20 subdivision, too. Director Payne said if they are moving north-south, they will use Randol Mill; if
21 they are moving east-west, they will probably use F.M. 1709 or S.H. 114. Director Payne said the
22 presence of this road does not mean there will be a substantial increase in traffic from Randol Mill.
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24 Director Payne said staff is not saying exactly where this road needs to align, but any time a planner
25 connects one road to another they will tie it into an intersection. He said the road can be anywhere in
26 this general area.
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28 Mr. Covert said he thinks it is a bad idea to line this road up with a subdivision because going
29 through Cross Timber Hills is the most direct route to Randol Mill.
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31 Commissioner Muller said the destinations that people are trying to get to are the schools, and there
32 are no schools on the other side of Cross Timber Hills.
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34 James Hoglund, 108 Killdeer Court, Southlake, Texas, said in sitting through the discussion of the
35 traffic study during a City Council meeting, it was stated that the current volume of traffic with three
36 schools on the road indicated a need for five lanes at the intersection of Peytonville Avenue north-
37 south at F.M. 1709. He said now he is hearing there will be two more schools on that road which
38 indicates a 67% increase, and now people are justifying holding the traffic on two lanes with a
39 turning lane. He said he finds that really strange. He would much rather we call it four lanes and
40 build it four lanes because we will end up being there anyway.
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42 Doug Mayor, 903 Turnberry, Southlake, Texas, said Carroll school district starts at Randol Mill and
43 goes east. He said the studies conducted by Lee Engineering show that the majority of traffic coming
44 through Coventry comes from Southridge Lakes, Cross Timber Hills, and Myer's Meadow. He said
45 the need for this road is tantamount to anything Southlake and the area north of S.H. 114 needs.
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1 There are other subdivisions being built in Westlake that will feed into this. He said the Lee reports
2 indicated there were 2,500 cars a day going through Turnberry Lane; today it is about 3,000 cars.
3 Give it another six months, and it will probably be 3,200 to 3, 500. By the time the school district
4 reroutes all the students, they could be looking at 4,000 cars a day. When he leaves his house in the
5 morning, he sometimes has to wait five minutes to turn onto Turnberry Lane. He has neighbors that
6 cannot get out of their driveways in the morning. Several people are leaving for that very reason. He
7 said he is leaving Southlake, but as far as he is concerned this road is a requirement.
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9 Commissioner Jones said if we have 2,500 cars a day going through a residential subdivision with
10 children and people who cannot even get out of their own property, then it seems to him that we
11 cannot worry about how many trees we have to bulldoze or how many salamanders we are going to
12 kill; we have to think about the people. If it needs to be five lanes, then make it five lanes. He said
13 we have problems with traffic in this town, and we have to build enough roads to accommodate this
14 very nice city we are trying to build. The fact of the matter is everybody is getting frustrated living
15 here or moving out as a result of not being able to get in and out of their own property. We have to
16 look at what is best for the city and try to accommodate as many people as possible in that process,
17 but somebody is not going to like it no matter what we do.
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19 Commissioner Horne said he agrees with most of what Commissioner Jones said. We can have
20 whatever kind of town we want. If we do it properly, we can have our cake and eat it, too. He said
21 there is nothing there; there is nothing stopping us from putting in the right kind of road. This is our
22 chance to put a planned road through what is basically an empty field. He thinks it will take at least
23 three lanes. He does not think people will come up Randol Mill and cut through Cross Timber Hills
24 because they could get to where they are going a whole lot faster by going down F.M. 1709 or S.H.
25 114.
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27 Laura Hail, 1601 Kings Court, Southlake, Texas, said she lives in Coventry and said it is as much of
28 a safety issue now as it is a traffic issue. She said she has three children and when she took them to
29 school yesterday, there were 35 cars and two buses backed up on Turnberry Lane trying to turn onto
30 Shady Oaks to go to Durham. There are more and more parents driving their children to school
31 because the schools are telling parents their children are not getting to school on time when they take
32 the bus. She said Lee Engineering discovered during their traffic studies that only four cars out of the
33 2,200 cars that went down Turnberry Lane went into the entrance of Cross Timber Hills and came
34 out onto Randol Mill.
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36 James Hoglund, 108 Killdeer Court, Southlake, Texas, said some of these problems could be solved
37 by sealing off the entrances onto Randol Mill.
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39 Commissioner Muller said the city has no control over the location of schools. The City Council has
40 argued with school boards over the location of schools just because of these traffic impacts. She said
41 they had a heck of a time getting the one existing 50' road for the junior high and elementary
42 schools, but thank goodness they did that because none of the school board members wanted to give
43 it.
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45 (Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 10-19-00, tape 1, section #5200)
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2 Chairman Boutte said in the motion the Commission needs to be very specific that it is 64' of ROW
3 they are approving.
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5 Commissioner Muller said we also need to be clear at this time that the Commission is not saying it
6 will be connected to Cross Timber Hills; we do not know exactly where it may end up. It is not
7 written in stone and will depend on the development of those properties in the future.
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9 Commissioner Stansell said he has lived here since 1993 and has seen F.M. 1709 built up. It is grid
10 locked. He said we have to come to grips with the east-west traffic in this town. If this helps in any
11 way to add relief to that traffic, then we have got to do something.
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13 Commissioner Jones agreed with the speaker earlier who said it is really a safety issue as much as a
14 traffic issue.
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16 Motion was made to approve the amendment to the currently adopted Master Thoroughfare Plan to
17 provide for a collector street between White Chapel Boulevard and North Peytonville Avenue that
18 will be 64' in width and will accommodate a center turn lane, and also amend the language to the
19 MTP to state the following: "The east-west collector road indicated on the Thoroughfare Plan map
20 located between White Chapel Boulevard and North Peytonville Avenue and north of F.M. 1709 and
21 south of S.H. 114 is intended to only show a general alignment. The precise alignment of this
22 collector will ultimately be based on development conditions prior to construction."
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24 Motion: Jones
25 Second: Terrell
26 Ayes: Terrell, Muller, Jones, Horne, Stansell, Boutte
27 Nays: None
28 Approved: 6-0
29 Motion carried.
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31 (Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 10-19-00, tape 1, section #5675)
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33 AGENDA ITEM #10, MEETING ADJOURNMENT:
34 Chairman Boutte adjourned the meeting at 9:20 p.m. on October 19, 2000.
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36 (Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, 10-19-00, tape 1, section #5689)
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